face to face right now by these two men, president obama and afghan president hamid karzai. and these two men don't always see eye to eye on those issues and more. cnn's dan lothian is watching this. dan, of course, we're always interested in what they have to say and there's a news conference scheduled for about 1:15 eastern time, but are we exine expecting any big announcements or pronouncements? >> reporter: we've been told by white house aides not to expect any big breakthroughs to come from this meeting. it is a chance for both leaders to sit down and talk about what happens next after 2014, the political, the economic, the security transition. some have suggested, as you said, that they should bring that number down to zero, so zero troops on the ground there after 2014. leon panetta, the defense secretary, saying that that would be a bad idea. what's most likely that there will be a few thousand troops on the ground there in afghanistan after 2014 to help in the transition. there's big concern as to whether or not the afghan forces are prepared, are ready, to handle